tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post2599289496605468075..comments2023-07-05T03:28:27.772-07:00Comments on Shalom, Dena: So What's the Root of all Disease...?Denahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05100904350829701234noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-17286475028473158592009-09-01T10:35:49.625-07:002009-09-01T10:35:49.625-07:00Welcome, Lisa...!
Your comment had me grinning th...Welcome, Lisa...!<br /><br />Your comment had me grinning the whole way through -- I sure 'nuff recognize truth in your words...!<br /><br />I love how the Spirit draws us together ... just when we thought we were the only dangerous-and-crazy one ... then we find that we are LEGION (fits with your devilish anaology!).<br /><br />Looking forward to getting to know you...!<br /><br />Shalom, DenaDenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05100904350829701234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-81568492104481818902009-08-31T23:50:51.893-07:002009-08-31T23:50:51.893-07:00Wow! All I can say is WOW!! To this blog post and ...Wow! All I can say is WOW!! To this blog post and to the comments that follow...AMEN! An answer to some serious searching...I will be purchasing that book too and keep up with this convo...God is so good, it just blows me away...Hey Jesus started all this mess when He said that He came to give us Life and Life more abondately! Few dare to truly go there - glad I've found a bunch of Dare Devils! (I was going to change that phrase, but to some we are devils for thinking/believing outside the box.) Toodles for now, LisaLisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-12027295809748144382009-08-31T19:41:00.197-07:002009-08-31T19:41:00.197-07:00Anonymous -
I enjoyed much of what you had to say...Anonymous -<br /><br />I enjoyed much of what you had to say here ... much resonates. I no longer see the reformation as a huge factor though, as it only switched the requirement for "right works" to a requirement for "right beliefs". God, as I've come to understand and experience Him, transcends our ability to do anything right ... but seems to delight in revealing to us, just how right everything/everyone always was...!<br /><br />I love that, as our minds are renewed, we're set free from all that humans have taught us ... indeed, we have no need for any human to teach us (we have the Teacher within), and are even to call no man "teacher" ... and yet, how fun and glorious to be able to have conversations that serve to awaken each other...!Denahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05100904350829701234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-34686468435293505762009-08-31T02:07:52.649-07:002009-08-31T02:07:52.649-07:00Someone said "Although the post-Reformation c...Someone said "Although the post-Reformation church focuses on the believer’s status before God as salvation, the pre-Reformation church understood salvation in terms of union with Christ, as Paul addresses in Romans 6:<br /><br />We are united in his life, death, burial, and resurrection (vv. 3, 5, 8).<br />Since we are united with him, we participate in his triumph over sin and death (vv. 6, 9-11).<br />Our present life is a proclamation of the future hope promised to those united with him (v. 4-5).<br />Life is not imparted by the acquisition of knowledge, whether theological or otherwise. Nor is life imparted by the self-efforts of desire or good works. May we not affirm the hopelessness of self-saving religion. Rather, may we cling to the promise of living under grace."<br /><br />I truly believe that some have sold out to mind idolatry and redefined what faith is. Faith is only as good as the object you place your faith in. If I believe in my ability to have faith then I am still in the realm of my own desires and efforts. If I place my faith in, and have come in union with Christ, then his ability or life is imparted to me. <br /><br />The cults and the spirit of deception do a great job of taking first century words and pouring in different meanings to open up those (that are willing) to deceptive spirits. If my ability to believe or have faith is what God honors, then God has to submit to a higher force than himself FAITH. This is heresy and changes faith from a trust-in rely-on word to a force God is obligated to submit to. I am healed and made whole because of my union with Christ. His life casts out all fear and is my Victory. Revelation of these truths will set us all free to Glorify Him no matter what. Blessings to all that can know Christ this way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-39883982931680973632009-08-30T20:31:25.630-07:002009-08-30T20:31:25.630-07:00I am pondering...not knowing. Which is a good plac...I am pondering...not knowing. Which is a good place to be. :o)MysticBlueRosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15206959063908087622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-21733399157285331782009-08-30T11:46:04.212-07:002009-08-30T11:46:04.212-07:00Bless you, Karl!
Enjoy your rest -- resting is an...Bless you, Karl!<br /><br />Enjoy your rest -- resting is an important part of the journey!<br /><br />May you be enveloped by His Presence today!Denahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05100904350829701234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-87218892615663988842009-08-30T11:39:14.586-07:002009-08-30T11:39:14.586-07:00Dena-
I will look into those sites in the next f...Dena- <br /><br />I will look into those sites in the next few days- today I am resting. <br /> <br />I do not have control over the creation. I only walk with the one who does, and in that I am following, not leading.<br /><br />The Kingdom is here now, not in its fullness but it is unmistakably here. <br /><br />Thanks for some good food for thought- I'll read and see what we find...<br /><br />Karlkarl graffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03380895809165801303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-45944253799719418862009-08-30T11:21:08.364-07:002009-08-30T11:21:08.364-07:00My heart says you're right, Dena. It's yet...My heart says you're right, Dena. It's yet another example of us believing lies. I'm going to see how this works out as I let it take root in my deepest places...<br /><br />I too want all the truth I can bear, and this all seems True to me.<br /><br />'Tis Good:)<br /><br />Namaste<br /><br />HarryHarry Rileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341037712756284832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-2559667072501179342009-08-30T11:18:05.492-07:002009-08-30T11:18:05.492-07:00Glad you enjoyed the chuckle, Paige..! ;)
And (An...Glad you enjoyed the chuckle, Paige..! ;)<br /><br />And (Another) Paige -- thanks so much for those reSources!Denahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05100904350829701234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-57390856653937012352009-08-30T11:17:08.892-07:002009-08-30T11:17:08.892-07:00Hi Karl!
Yes, as you point out, it is indeed &quo...Hi Karl!<br /><br />Yes, as you point out, it is indeed "safe" to believe the things that you mentioned (that disease just "is," that we will die of something, that sin is rampant, that we mucked everything up (thwarted God's perfect plan, and so now He's stuck with "Plan B") ...<br /><br />... but how is that working out, believing those things? Do they bring us the fruits that Jesus said the Way would bring us? Do we thus have less fear, more peace, more joy? Is this really a picture of the Abundant Life, or is it the (counterfeit, as I see it) Christian Life? And which one did Jesus speak of?<br /><br />What if we entirely misunderstood the return (Parousia) of Jesus? What if sin really was meant to be "done away with", and iniquity "no more", as Daniel said would happen in the new covenant? What if the New heavens and New earth are spiritual realities that we enter into here and now -- accessible to all, and that if we see them in terms of a literal/observable occurance/utopia, we miss the point, and thus do not enter in nor experience that which is at hand, and in our midst?<br /><br />I notice Jesus said that this Kingdom would *not* come by observation, that we cannot see it with eyes of flesh.<br /><br />Perhaps there's something to explore here?<br /><br />The discussion forum www.presence.tv and the articles at www.pantelism.com would be good exploration-resources for this understanding. <br /><br />Since doing so myself, I do not see the scriptures through the same lens that Christianity taught me ... suddenly the scriptures fell into coherency, and consistency, when read through the metaphorical/historical lens, rather than the literal/observable lens.Denahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05100904350829701234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-34356577693967565772009-08-30T11:08:19.101-07:002009-08-30T11:08:19.101-07:00Jennifer -
What I think is that you're on to ...Jennifer -<br /><br />What I think is that you're on to something here! If I believe a thing, it will manifest in my life in my body, in my emotions, and in how I view/experience the world around me. If I believe disease is just a part of life, I will have disease. And because we collectively believe this, disease does manifest -- I'm wondering, do I have to accept what manifests? Do I have to allow the beliefs of others to become my reality? Or am I respnsible for renewing my own mind, letting lies be replaced with truth, which THEN becomes my experience.<br /><br />According to the medical authorities, I'm not supposed to be healed of bulimia, as the collective belief is that bulimia cannot be overcome, only better coped-with. Well, I can't help it -- I went and got healed ... and it happened because God showed me the lies I was believing, and then replaced them with His truth -- and I was set free. So, I have doctors who won't take me (or my family) on as patients, since they say I have "clear psychological disorders" in believing I'm healed, LOL!<br /><br />Oh well, I've been spared...!<br /><br />I have more questions than answers at this time, but I'm very much diving off the cliff of my former understanding, in order to have my mind renewed in this area ... I want all the truth that sets me free that I can bear!Denahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05100904350829701234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-18960246240154758392009-08-30T11:03:48.350-07:002009-08-30T11:03:48.350-07:00Anonymous -- please accept my apoloty - it seems t...Anonymous -- please accept my apoloty - it seems that I confused you with someone else (someone who seems determined to follow me around on the 'Net and correct whatever I share). I over-reacted - please forgive me for that.<br /><br />Like Marianne, I would see your daughter as perfect, just as she is. Who she is is not confined, nor limited by either her body, nor her mind. She's whole, as we all are, in the Spirit. She has a particular role to fill, and she's doing it, beautifully ... she has many lessons to teach you, to teach all of us, if we're but willing to see past the form, into the truth-beneath-the-surface. I lost three babies to miscarriage -- and yet they, even in their short lives, had much to teach me, much to give me.<br /><br />Just some thoughts:<br /><br />What if those who were left ill (by Paul, by others), weren't ready to see themselves as anything but sick ... I see that Jesus asked the man by the pool, "do you WANT to be healed?"<br /><br />What if it's our perspective, our mindset that needs healing, and our body follows? What if we're to seek first the Kingdom of God (His reign within us - His perspective OF us), and all the other things, including healing (the outward manifestation of the already-done inward wholeness of our nature-in-Him) are then added to us?<br /><br />Yes, indeed, often miracles do seem to "hide"... open our eyes, God, and increase our "bearability" to be led into all truth...!<br /><br />Thank you for your portion here ...Denahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05100904350829701234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-9315639595882485272009-08-30T07:56:00.349-07:002009-08-30T07:56:00.349-07:00Some further resources to check out for those inte...Some further resources to check out for those interested:<br /><br />"Feelings Buried Alive Never Die" and "Healing Feelings From The Heart" both by Karol K. Truman<br /><br />Also,<br /><br />German New Medicine:<br /><br />http://germannewmedicine.ca/home.html<br /><br />Just more food for thought to chew on, and maybe some more pieces of the puzzle.<br /><br />Paige Marshall(Another) Paigenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-9572225540928432012009-08-30T07:24:54.389-07:002009-08-30T07:24:54.389-07:00I believe that we can walk in wholeness without po...I believe that we can walk in wholeness without positive confessions, et al. God loves us and wants us to have abundant life- I think that it is safe to say that.<br /><br />It is safe to say that people get sick, some are born with less that perfect health, and all die. <br /><br />It is safe to say that according to the scripture, sin is the cause- not particular sin, but sin. Sin has affected the entire creation, and for His own reasons, God has chosen to let it operate as such.<br /><br />I believe that Jesus is life, provision, health- He is whatever Life is. I believe that when He returns and claims His place as King that in that eent will be the restoring of creation- back to its pre sin infected state. Then all will be as it should be- no death, etc.<br /><br />He heals- but not always. It is not by our will ordesire but by His. He (God) is our loving Father- but not only that. We can limit Him in many ways, and I am content to let some of HIm remain a mystery- yet to be revealed. He is to great for me to know wholly, at least at this time- but not too great for me to know. It is more important that He knows me wholly and loves me, by His own choice. I trust HIm regardless of what my circumstances are, and look forward to the day when I will see Him face to face, and know Him as I am known by Him.karl graffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03380895809165801303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-7200736612170754342009-08-30T05:57:20.468-07:002009-08-30T05:57:20.468-07:00"and I just happen to be one of the reprobate..."and I just happen to be one of the reprobate ones - dang-it!" <br /><br /><br />Thanks for the laugh this morning! : )<br />PaigePaigehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12383446718331561630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-15315419880179211892009-08-30T05:52:16.060-07:002009-08-30T05:52:16.060-07:00To anonymous, I would say that of course our view ...To anonymous, I would say that of course our view of perfection and God's are clearly different in many areas, (I believe your daughter is perfect, as she is and is bringing blessings beyond what you expect.) However, there are areas in our lives that we just toss off to "disease" that are certainly able to be controlled through using God's good sense in temprance, nutrition and stress free living and right beliefs (which can be toxic or healthy). None of us has all the answers, hence the discussion and information sharing. Bless you , my friend.mariannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-71780434952586619692009-08-29T23:43:22.669-07:002009-08-29T23:43:22.669-07:00Hmmm...very interesting and thought provoking, I j...Hmmm...very interesting and thought provoking, I just might have to dig into this a bit further.<br /><br />I have always had a thought that our diseases, and are beliefs and the way we live life are intertwined..For instance, when I am not living in that relationship of love and trust with Father, I tend to be really anxious and stressed and feel like I have to take care of myself,(and I think the fear of death plays a part here) that causes all kinds of physical symptoms, but when I rest in Him, I feel I become more physically healthy as well...what do you think?Jennifernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-89793669123116829802009-08-29T23:10:01.066-07:002009-08-29T23:10:01.066-07:00I would love to have a conversation. I have always...I would love to have a conversation. I have always loved a good debate as well. I don't pretend to have all the answers. I have realized the mystery of God's purpose is usually based on eternal values beyond the time and space realm. God has accomplished all things in Christ temporal and eternal. Even though Christ was crucified 2000 years ago. Scripture states he was slain from the foundations of the world. To God, a thousand years are as a day. <br /><br />I desire for the Lord to make me whole and so I ask him to manifest his eternal perfection (in the eternal realm)to heal my body( in the temporal realm). I am already healed and whole in the eternals but according to HIS eternal purpose he may or may not manifest it in my temporal world. Paul was a gifted man and I rejoice that he had signs and wonders following him. Paul also left some ill behind according to scripture. I can say I am healed and whole from God's perspective but I will still pray "Your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven" until my last breath. I have a daughter that was born with a disability. My world totaly collapsed when she was born with down syndrome. I can say I have had my eyes opened to just what God's idea of perfection really is. Sometimes miracles do hide. Only Gods idea of perfection really matters. When I make my list of desires and present it to God, he just laughs. Just my perpective of things but I am only looking through a glass darkly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-58459667561248196552009-08-29T22:15:56.908-07:002009-08-29T22:15:56.908-07:00Certainly worth more thought, Dena. And more conv...Certainly worth more thought, Dena. And more conversation. Thanks so much for posting it. Dang woman. You the blog extraordinaire!~Katherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09951878454894964736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-39358850598351169482009-08-29T21:12:15.302-07:002009-08-29T21:12:15.302-07:00Wow Dena, That is a place where I would like to b...Wow Dena, That is a place where I would like to be, unafraid of illness, disease or death and having the knowledge that God wishes me to be strong and healthy. Really looking forward to your continuing blogs, and hoping I can at least start to move towards that goal of changing my ingrained beliefs, thanks so much for blogging :)<br /><br />Namaste, Camille :DCamillenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-76815227550814438692009-08-29T21:08:43.061-07:002009-08-29T21:08:43.061-07:00Anonymous -
Thank you for sharing your opinion, a...Anonymous -<br /><br />Thank you for sharing your opinion, as did Paul.<br /><br />Those verses buoy up what I'm coming to believe - thank you.<br /><br />If you want to have a genuine conversation here, please feel free to remain anonymous -- however, if you are here to criticize, please have the integrity of using your name.<br /><br />Thanks! :)Denahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05100904350829701234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-3285476499145516952009-08-29T20:36:44.607-07:002009-08-29T20:36:44.607-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Show Us The Worldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06444255663345917343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-63790940562129476332009-08-29T20:36:06.312-07:002009-08-29T20:36:06.312-07:00This is a topic that is very intriguing to me pers...This is a topic that is very intriguing to me personally and I've spent quite a bit of time digging into it (long story for another day as to why I have spent much time here). As always, much to chew on here, dear friend!<br /><br />KrystalShow Us The Worldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06444255663345917343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-4943092403343600032009-08-29T20:26:09.137-07:002009-08-29T20:26:09.137-07:00Paul said"
2Cr 4:16 Therefore we do not ...Paul said" <br /><br /><br /> 2Cr 4:16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. <br /><br /><br /> 2Cr 4:17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. <br /><br /><br /> 2Cr 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. <br /><br />Poor Paul. If he only knew what you know he would have never had a negative confession.<br />I'v seen people die because they chose NOT to receive treatment. Presumption is a mind disease that destroys the wisdom to realize that any miracle or healing is only temporary. Lazarus eventually died after being raised from the dead. Faith denies the finality of death and disease. True healing is eternal and there is only one way to get there and that is through death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2432734053115127369.post-57045482859371677212009-08-29T15:22:56.279-07:002009-08-29T15:22:56.279-07:00Precisely, Marianne...!
Not at all surprised that...Precisely, Marianne...!<br /><br />Not at all surprised that you're seeing this, too. I think you'd enjoy the book -- very engagingly written. Methinks I shall contact her when I'm done! If she doesn't already know my friends in Texas (where she lives), she should!<br /><br />I'd love to hear her speak some time ... and I'm barely into the book!<br /><br />Some things you just *know* when you hear them. as in, "That's IT!"<br /><br />Shalom, DenaDenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05100904350829701234noreply@blogger.com