What I Said in Baytown ... (I *Think*!)

These things always begin with the very best of intentions ... my purpose is to deliver a message, to stay on topic, and to do so within the allotted timeframe.

I try ... really.

Not sure that I managed to accomplish any of that ... but I prepared, I showed up, I opened my mouth ... and then it's like I rode something that came through me ... or out of me, or both (hard to tell).

When all was said and done, I'm not sure I stayed on topic (unless the topic is "life"), and I sure 'nuff went over my time. By twenty minutes.

Ok, at least no one was looking at their watch, or catapulting rotten produce in my direction. From my vantage point, people were engaged, we were connecting, and something bigger than all of us happened. I call it good. And it's not that I'm so special (well, I am, but so is everyone else!) ... it's just that I'm willing to blurt. Even to be foolish. I highly recommend losing one's reputation -- very liberating!

So, I thought I'd try to relate what I said ... or at least what my notes indicate what I was *supposed* to say ... and what I vaguely remember saying ... and then I'll have to watch/listen to the recording, once the link becomes available (which, of course I shall foist - I mean *share*).

I started out with a couple of my most favorite, and most life-impacting, quotes (neither of which originated with me, both of which are, appropriately enough, anonymous):

"We turn to God when our foundations are shaking, only to discover that it's God who's shaking them.

"The unanswered questions aren't nearly as dangerous as the unquestioned answers."

Yeaaaaaah. :)

I then said, "I stand before you, a woman in transition. If you've ever given birth, or attended a birth, you know that transition is the most uncomfortable, and even most frightening, part of the birthing process. It's where the woman says, "Kill me now - just get this over with!" Yes, fear is strong ... and yet, I have experienced that the most intense fear and pain occur right before new life emerges, making it all worthwhile! I notice that perfect loves casts out all fear, including, I believe, the fear of God -- which is merely the beginning of all wisdom -- not where we're meant to remain. We're meant to mature into perfect love.

"Take whatever the Spirit illumines to YOU in what I have to say here today. Never take another's word for your own. The Word of God, which was with God in the beginning, is not a black leather-bound collection of books ('twern't no Bibles with God in the beginning!). The Word of God is the Logos, the Dabhar, which is the essence of God, the nature of God, the activating Wisdom of God, that which spoke all into existence ... that which is the Still, Small Voice within you. Heed THAT."

I then shared a bit of my history ... well, it was supposed to be just a *bit*. Turned out being much more ... how my father came to know Christ ... how I became a follower of Jesus ... how I was the perfect child (cough-cough!) ... how I rebelled at age 18 (becoming bulimic, started drinking/drugging, became promiscuous) ... how I struggled for 21 years with that addiction... how I went from licentious to frigid within marriage ... how our marriage suffered ... how the children came (despite being medically impossible for me to conceive) ... how I endured the "seminary/ordination" years in our former church ... how I did my best to both recover from bulimia, AND conform to all the shoulds/oughts that were imposed on me from our church leadership ... and how I failed miserably all around, how my husband learned to love me withOUT expecting me to change -- and how I found true and permanent healing. I went into a lot more about my bulimic and sexual dysfunction than I had intended ... but it turned out to be something that others said they needed to hear (confirmed later). LOL, part of my brain was yammering, "Do you REALLY want to go into all of this?!? You've got a lot to unpack here!" I just kept on surfing ...

I dwelled a bit on the "Great Church Kick-Out" of 6 years ago ... and of the devastation/liberation I felt ... how I had the spiritual wind knocked out of me, and how I prayed my most desperate and most sincere prayer up to that point, "God, START ME OVER! I don't know what I believe anymore! Show me what's of man, and what's of God -- I want Truth at all cost!" When you pray that prayer, you're pretty much signing up for a wiiiiiild roller coaster ride. Buckle up, and hang on!

I then spoke of the succession of paradigm shifts that catapulted me from Fear to Love:

~ From Legalism to Grace (from the system of "measure-up" to trust).

~ From Self-despising to Self-LIKE (how astonishing to discover that God not only loves me, because He *has* to, but He LIKES me and made me as I am on *purpose*!).

~ From Hierarchy to Equality (in my marriage, with my children, with all others).

~ From the Institution to House Church (and we then thought "This is IT!" LOL! Silly us! You can get the person out of the institution, but it's a whole 'nother thing to get the institution out of the person!).

~ From only reading the Bible, to reading all manner of things ... enter: "The Shack". The experience of reading all of my own subversive thoughts on paper! Bless Paul Young! And bless his visit to our home in August of '07, when he said things that rocked my world, and launched me into the "beautiful heresy" (to coin a phrase from my friend Brian Smith - his blog link is to the left, hint-hint!).

~ From a traditional "hell" to ultimate reconciliation (i.e., "all saved"). This was a wrenchingly painful transition, in which I hugely feared being deceived, and prayed not to be, daily! I lost much sleep, half my hair, and nearly all my friends over this one! Whew!

~ From a futurist perspective ("Jesus will come back one day"), to an "all fulfilled" perspective. It was in being frustrated to discover that Preterists and Universalists despised each other (c'mon, dudes!), that I stumbled upon Presence, International (my peeps!). Their perspective of life is a catalyst to me feeling more alive than ever before!

[Note: during this time, I continuously asked for a "sign" that God was leading me ... and God kept graciously giving 'em to me! Some of them are uncanny ... I shared two of them with the group ...]

~ From "Satan" as personal being, to "satan" as the adversarial nature of our own ego (both individual ego and collective ego).

~ From the Bible as "the inerrant and infallible Word-a-God", to The Bible as the unfolding/progressive/evolutionary story of mankind (as it played out through the consciousness of Israel). I now see that the Bible is the "three steps forward - two steps backward" story of a people coming to know who God is. With experience trumping comprehension (though we've had a rude and stubborn penchant for doctrinalizing and dogmatizing some of those backward steps!). I see much of the Bible as written from the perspective of the ego -- with humans projecting their own insanity upon God, "God hath said." Oh really? Is that true? I've learned to go with the God I'm experiencing, rather than the god others have told me about.

~ From the sense of separation-from-God-and-all-others, to a sense of Oneness with all that IS. PanENtheism ... God in all, in everything, permeating all of creation (really, what did we think was sustaining us?). I don't see separation anymore ... thought I see that it's a normal perception of the spirit-man who is having a human experience. It's even a necessary stage of growth, of evolution if you will (let's redeem that word!). Thus, I no longer believe in the theory (theory!) of "original sin". Much of the Christian world never did buy into that concept...

~ From the perspective of living the "Christian Life" (which Jesus never mentioned), to the awareness of the "Abundant Life" (which Jesus said He came to bring). I actually believe that insisting on the former will keep one from experiencing the latter. I had to shed the former, in order to have the latter. Christ led me right out of Christianity ... it's my history/heritage (& I do not despise having been there, any more than a 6 yo should despise having been 5) ... but as I grew, it became too small, too tight, and it pinched. Had to shed it.

And throughout it all, it's been about moving from negativity/fear, into positivity/Love. Who knows what's next?!?

Well, what's next for blogging, is that I'll share how all of this affects my perspective/understanding of Jesus Christ. Stay tuned...!

Shalom, Dena

Are Women Inferior to Men?

Richard Rohr shared a wonderful meditation about women the other day ... and it launched a multi-forum discussion online. I'll share all of it here, in the hopes that it will further an awakening.

First, here's what Richard shared:

Until quite recently we white males of the Northern Hemisphere have been holding all the cards, naming all the questions, and providing all the answers for the entire Christian era—except for those few golden years when God took poor flesh in Jesus. He took twelve Jewish men and tried to show them how they could be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Unfortunately, it didn’t work. Males continued to build towers and operate as lords over others, and the sacred feminine or human vulnerability just didn’t fit in.

That is the world and the Church that I was born into. It has been preoccupied with domination and status-quo logic to this day and thus finds itself largely incapable of understanding, much less believing, most of the clear teaching of Jesus. Poverty, meekness or nonviolence, tears, justice-love, mercy, purity of heart, peacemaking and reconciliation, and bearing persecution…are his eight opening statements. But try to get elected in a Christian country or promoted to high office in the church today while seriously following those teachings! Yet we all agree that Jesus called them the “Eight Happinesses.”

I shared that with a few loved-ones -- here's what my husband, Mark, had to say:

I don't think that we as men realize how pervasive the male superiority mindset is and how it has permeated every aspect of our lives. Actually, I know we don't. And, the sad part is, we don't want to. To acknowledge this mindset in ourselves, means we have to change, and there will not be a cultural change until enough of us have allowed the change individually. Interesting, I just went back and read the last line and the words "allowed the change" jumped out at me. We really don't have to work hard to change the mindset, we just have to see it for what it is. We were not created to have this mindset, it is a learned mindset. It is not who we really are, and it is not who we were created to be. It is a lie that we have believed, and when lies are replaced, the truth, that is always there within us, is allowed to take it's rightful place. At the same time, the mindset is so pervasive, so ingrained, that it's not just one big lie that we can deal with and it's gone, it is thousands of little lies that tell us how we react and what we say in various situations. What I mean is that I am aware, usually afterwards, of comments and attitudes that I have that show that I believe in form and fashion that I am better than Dena. On a conscious level I don't believe that, and Dena and I have had numerous conversation on this subject. So I make a comment or have an attitude, and Dena will say something, I will usually acknowledge that and go on, but there are times that I don't want to see it, or don't think that it applies under the circumstances. It is a cancer, it is a sickness, that needs transformation, revelation, renewal, healing.

I think that all of this is based on fear; fear of the unknown. We don't really know how to be men, at least not the men that God created us to be. And so what do we do when we are afraid, we don't become humble, we don't acknowledge our weaknesses, we don't accept our poverty; we take control, and we lord over people. We start with women and children, and then other men: that's where wars come from.

The more I write, the more frustrated I get, and the more I feel for the women of the world living in male dominated societies, or households. The sad part is that I was raised by my mother until I was 13, and did not have a male role model with this dominant mindset. If I, being raised without this mindset being demonstrated in my home on a daily basis, with the realization that it is wrong, still struggle, how much harder must it be for men who were overtly taught as small children that it was their job to rule. I know it may seem that I am now taking up for men, but I am not. I just think that we need to realize that this means an entire paradigm shift for most of us. A right shift , but a major shift none-the-less.

May God enable us all to be and live as He created us to be. In equality, love, humility, honoring others (especially those who have been dishonored for so long) above ourselves.

Then began the deluge, LOL...! I noticed that the folks who said this was "no big deal" and that we women really needed to "get over this" were white males. Funny that. Perhaps because my husband is Jewish, he's got an inside-track to how it feels to be maligned (just a wee bit)..?

Several brave and noble (not to mention self-honest) men dared to speak up, and admit that this male-dominance superiority is rampant ... though most men who are perpetrating it are largely blind to it (& that when they dismiss our pain, they're in effect ripping off our scabs). I then got this response:

Can you give me some examples of what you are talking about as far as this pain and the way that apparently most men are abusing women. It seems that I come at this from a different perspective than most on this board, but my observations over the course of my life is that women have been as equally guilty as the men. What are the things men are doing to cause these wounds/scabs? And how are these wounds any different than the wounds that men carry around? Thanks.

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Thanks for the question, and the opportunity to discuss this!

First, yes, everyone has wounds of one sort or another -- none of us live this life wound-free. I even have come to believe that wounds are the vehicles by which we heal from the deeper things we're not even aware of.

Secondly, yes, women are as "guilty" as men -- but, let's be honest, there's not been a prevalence of women dominating men, telling men what they can do, and then punishing them (overtly or covertly) when they disobey or show defiance.

I recall hearing Paul Young speak to this ... he said (paraphrased from my memory):

"Men have historically been responsible for 90-something percent of all the crime in this world, of all the violence in this world, of all the rapes in this world, and of all the wars in this world -- and yet our theology tells us that it was God's idea to put men 'in charge'?!? Yeah riiiiight."

Let's look at those wars ... Sister Joan Chittister spoke before the UN, claiming that 90+ percent of all killed in war are civilians -- mostly women and children. War is a crime against women and children -- the very ones men claim to be protecting.

How's that working...?

Violence against women is at epidemic proportions -- violence against men, by women, is rare enough that it's shocking ... and the damage done is far less severe than the damage done to women by men (men are, by and large, more powerful and aggressive than women).

I do not say that men are not abused by women, nor am I condoning violence in any way, shape or form ... and certainly it can happen in childhood/youth. What I'm saying is that there is something within men, that if left unchecked, that seeks to lord over women -- to somehow feel better/bigger/superior by making women feel lesser/smaller/inferior.

Here are some of the ways in which men lord over/abuse women:

- Women (still) make only 3/4 as much as men, doing the same jobs
- Women were not allowed to vote in the USA until the turn of the last century (watch the movie "Iron Jawed Angels" for a gut-wrenching expose of the fight for those rights)
- Women were considered to be property (barely above cattle) for millennia
- Women still do not have equal rights in many counties
- Women are required to wear coverings (i.e., burqas), to "protect" the men, in many cultures
- The vast majority of those who are sold into sex trafficking are women - for men to use
- Women are told to be quiet in church gatherings -- "in the name of God"
- Women are not in positions of leadership, with rare exceptions
- Women are seen as objects by some men
- Women's opinions are not considered as valid, by some men
- Pornography is a means of dehumanizing and using women for their sexuality
- Women were burned at the stake, as "witches" for showing healing ability (i.e., knowledge of herbs), and for seeking to relieve the pain of women in childbirth (as recently as 100 years ago, in Spain)
- Rape victims were long blamed for the rape -- "asking for it" by the way they dressed, or where they went
- Women and girls are being gang-raped by male soldiers in The Congo, Rwanda, and other warring nations in Africa ... gang-rape is considered to be a male-bonding exercise, by the men who see women as little more than objects.


And then we have the prevalence of misogynistic quotes, down through the ages, even declaring this to be the will of God:

- "Praise be to God that he has not created me a Gentile, a woman, or a dog." (Hebrew Prayer said by Jewish men, even in front of their wives)

- "The courage of man is shown in his ability to command. The courage of a woman is found in obeying. (Aristotle)

- "Women are those who fell pray to their irrational, emotional side, and are therefore incapable of reason and making rational choices ... moresoever as irrational beings, women may not always know what they really want, and so it is the man's domain to decide for them." (Plato)

- "We have courtesans for our sex and pleasure. We have young slave prostitutes for our physical use, and we have wives to bring up legitimate children." (Demosthenes)

- "Even the most virtuous of women is a witch." (Old Jewish law)

- "Woman is a temple built over a sewer. It is contrary to the order of nature and of the law for women to speak in a gathering." (Jerome - who translated the Vulgate)
- "Because of you we are punished by death ... because of you, women, the Son of God had to die." (Tertullian)

- "Men should not listen to a woman even if she says admirable things or if she says saintly things. They are of little consequence since they come from the mouth of a woman." (Origen)

- "What is seen with the eyes of the Creator is masculine and not feminine, for God does not stoop to look upon what is feminine." (Origen)

- "By herself woman is not of the image of God. The man, on the other hand, alone, is the image of God." (Augustine)

- "Her low estate was not simply a result of the Fall. Woman was an inferior person even at the moment of her creation ... Image has to do with authority and only man has that ... Man is subjective to no one while woman is subjective to man. For a man to go to a woman for advice is like going to the lowest kind of animal to seek advice." (Chrysostom)

- "Woman is defective and misbegotten." (Aquinas)

- "The wickedness of women is greater than all other wickedness. a dragon is more curable than the familiarity of a woman. Avoid them like poisonous animals." (Pope Innocence III)

- "There is no gown or garment that worse becomes a woman than when she would be wise." (Martin Luther)

- "Let the woman be satisfied with the state of her subjection and that she is made inferior to the more distinguished sex. Because she receives her origin from man, therefore she is inferior in rank. She was created for man, therefore she is subject to man. All women are born that they may acknowledge themselves as inferior to the male." (Calvin)

- "You would not let an eleven-year-old child stand up in a meeting and talk. Then why should you allow a woman to speak in a meeting?" (statement made by a man at a Christian conference in the 21st century)


Shocking, no?

This is the collective perspective of many of our "church fathers." Elements of those beliefs are still prevalent within Christianity ... far too many men are still believing themselves to be inherently superior to women (& believing that it's backed up by Scripture).

I know who I am as a woman ... I know that I'm not in any way inferior (or superior!) to men. I know that each person is endlessly precious and beloved, as an equal child of God. But, as a woman, I do have to say that I feel the weight of the collective consciousness of women's subjugation. It's a reality, just like the air I breathe. Just like gravity. It's there, in effect.

It's the hallmark of a largely unconscious, reactionary, and immature way of life, of relating to others. It's a self-absorbed, "I'm the center of the universe; I'm bigger and entitled, and can do what I want" perspective that we're meant to mature out of.

For the most part, because I'm blessed to have been born in this nation, where, at least by law, I'm considered a whole human being, but I still run into this very UNconsciousness, all too often. It still breaks my heart, whether it's done to me, or witnessed by me. I long to see all people set free from all things which enslave them ...!

Shalom, Dena